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| Karren's Comments Re England.; what does she think about us then? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 26 2007, 09:07 AM (532 Views) | |
| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Mar 26 2007, 09:07 AM Post #1 |
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can anyone post the link to Karen Bradys article in the Sun today ? it may make an interesting debate if you read it,i would type it up but im too slow and it would take me all day...... she comments about playing players out of position and performances reflecting the manager.It makes me wonder just what she really thinks about us sometimes as she is unlikely to write such an article about our manager....... feed.back |
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| proccy_blues | Mar 26 2007, 09:12 AM Post #2 |
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Joe Bradford
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do i smell another anti-sb thread cleverly camouflaged as england debate? or am i too suspicious..? |
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| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Mar 26 2007, 09:15 AM Post #3 |
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Alex Govan
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proccy im not anti sb so there is nothing behind my post whatsoever.Just thought it was interesting that our MD should feel able to lambast the England manager.I did say if you read the article first it would show where i am coming from. |
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| proccy_blues | Mar 26 2007, 09:20 AM Post #4 |
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Joe Bradford
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fair comment, it was just a question - i haven't read the article myself so can't comment. but you do know that this thread will encourage the "howlers" to appear and draw comparisons bwtween what she says about mclaren and what she should be doing about sb, don't you? i'm not pro sb by the way, before people start banging on about it... :rolleyes: |
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| doc nick | Mar 26 2007, 09:26 AM Post #5 |
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Malcom Page
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i hav'nt read it either but the question is valid , if shes picking up on the same frailties of our team . i wonder if someone can get it on it could make a good debate and the an aregument then i get bord and hijack it. :D sounds good to me. |
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| proccy_blues | Mar 26 2007, 09:26 AM Post #6 |
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Joe Bradford
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your first sensible comments in about 3 weeks you miserable old git!!! :D |
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| doc nick | Mar 26 2007, 09:29 AM Post #7 |
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Malcom Page
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you should have been on here the weekend mate, we had a quote game going that reached about 30 replys before someone moned and it whent to the big hijaker in the sky. :D and cheack out the worst joke thread in jokes mate it's class. :D |
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| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Mar 26 2007, 09:32 AM Post #8 |
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Alex Govan
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i take your point about the thread becoming anti sb,or even pro sb but then it doesnt take much on here for that to happem.Just thought it was an interesting article showing her ability to see things from a fans viewpoint when it comes to England but with us she has her MD hat on and quite obviously couldnt make the same observations publicly. |
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| bornblues64 | Mar 26 2007, 09:50 AM Post #9 |
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Mikael Forssell
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So she has commented on players being played out of position etc, How can anybody think that it has any relationship to Bruce? |
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| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Mar 26 2007, 10:11 AM Post #10 |
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Alex Govan
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bornblues takes the prize :banghead: |
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| Blues | Mar 26 2007, 10:14 AM Post #11 |
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Mikael Forssell
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I've looked at The Sun online but I can't find the article. |
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| Zico | Mar 26 2007, 10:18 AM Post #12 |
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Bob Hatton
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Some people on this site are paranoid. Whenever someone posts something the "Steve Bruce Appreciation Brigade" come scurrying out with their tooth combs tring to find any hidden meanings that might be having a dig at out beloved manager. People have every right to criticise the England manager, our manager or the manager of their local Marks & Spencers on an internet forum and shouldn't be made to feel like criminals if they do. |
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| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Mar 26 2007, 10:19 AM Post #13 |
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Alex Govan
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cheers blues thanks for trying :applause: |
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| doc nick | Mar 26 2007, 10:21 AM Post #14 |
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Malcom Page
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:applause: :applause: |
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| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Mar 26 2007, 10:23 AM Post #15 |
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Alex Govan
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proccy i think you were right..feel free to take this thread and treat it like every other and dont bother debating the subject of the article at all, :banghead: |
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| doc nick | Mar 26 2007, 10:24 AM Post #16 |
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Malcom Page
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well we dont whats being said so we make it up infack i think all thread should be made up as you can have more fun. :D |
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| Bookemdanno | Mar 26 2007, 10:27 AM Post #17 |
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Alex Govan
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I disagree we shouldn't criticise the manager of Marks and Spencers. |
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| Zico | Mar 26 2007, 10:28 AM Post #18 |
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Bob Hatton
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I think this is the article: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390...7140019,00.html |
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| doc nick | Mar 26 2007, 10:35 AM Post #19 |
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Malcom Page
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here you go. KARREN BRADY gives her view March 26, 2007 COMMENT ON THIS STORY IT is clearer than ever that England under Steve McClaren are never going to win a competition although they might, just, score against Andorra on Wednesday. This is by no means all the fault of the coach and his assistant Terry Venables because there is growing evidence that the players, for all their rock-star salaries and unquenchable self-regard, make up a second-class side with third-class brainpower. However, McClaren is the man in charge and while I could never agree with the fans in Tel Aviv who shouted “you don't know what you are doing” there is enough evidence to convince most of us that he is well short of having any comprehensible answers. His England team remind me of his teeth — all superficial flash at the front but requiring serious adjustment to make them fit properly. Take Aaron Lennon: I am far from a football expert but it was soon obvious the left-winger created elemental panic among the Israelis. However, being right-footed, almost every time he outpaced his markers he had to turn back to cross, allowing the opposing defence time to regroup in the penalty area. Because his pace was being self-neutralised, surely he should at some time have been accommodated on the right to deliver swift curling passes. But wouldn’t that disrupt the overall plan? Hmm. Does that include selecting two full-backs out of normal positions; losing the potential match-commanding Steve Gerrard on the far right and leaving Wayne Rooney marooned and disconnected from striker Andy Johnson who’s too small to take all but the most precise of the dozens of long passes pumped high in his direction? Well, I’m only asking. McClaren has a contract until the 2010 World Cup but in reality he is a stop-gap. Eight months into his tenure, McClaren hasn’t a single significant achievement to his name, except the graceless sacking of David Beckham. From the way England started so shakily, his motivation has to be suspect and neither does his team possess what might even remotely be called style. They can’t score, they rarely win, his best players aren’t all responding and he doesn’t have the confidence to drop misfits to the bench. That isn’t much of a record and I’m afraid the coach who was no one’s first choice is proving his right to that universal verdict. The FA will stick by him while there is still a chance of qualifying for the championships and that’s probably fair as they over-promoted him in the first place and should stand in line for the volleys of custard pies and rotten tomatoes. Knowing them, they would revert to Howard Wilkinson, anyway. One last question to ponder: How on earth did they miss out on Martin O’Neill ----------------------------------------------------------- well from that i can gather she thinks its all the players fault. no wonder SB is still in a job. |
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| chris89 | Mar 26 2007, 10:35 AM Post #20 |
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Karren's Comments from The Sun on Saturday 24th March: So the England dressing room was stained with the cancer of jealousy over head boy David Beckham's influence on headmaster Sven Goran Eriksson. The story according to Eriksson's Israeli friend Pini Zahavi is that discontent over Beckham's favoured status spilled over onto the pitch. Whether this was a little subversive reminder to a nervous England camp by Zahavi on the eve of today's game in Tel Aviv or a detail thrown up to impress us with the depth of his knowledge of the inner sanctums, i don't know. But it is certainly dirty linen washed in public to the detriment of just about everyone connected with that dreary England campaign, with the possible exception of Eriksson's successor Steve Mclaren. Before crediting the current England coach too highly for his instant dismissal of Beckham, however, it is necessary to point out that if ending his international future was supposed to work to the benefit of the team as a whole, it hasn'tso far. I hope for Mclaren's sake it does tonight or the wolf pack are going to party on his reputation to such a degree that the chances of his survival as coach will be marginally higher than a gambolling lamb's. The first reaction of most people to the Zahavi version will be that Beckham's team mates should grow up, but it is nowhere near as simple as that even if it should be. Footballers' egos are not small things and, what's more the higher the mightier. At club level it is common to find a leading figure not to be confused with a leaderwho attracts both admiration and envy for having a higher profile than the rest, sometimes for non football reasons. At St Andrew's, Robbie Savage used to be the man. This may or may not have been true of Beckham but i have little doubt that Eriksson's preferential treatment of the England captain off the field and particularly in selection irked a number of players. The overwelming impression Eriksson left behind was of a man who loved to be close to modern icons close up and personal in the case of Ulrika Jonsson- of whom Beckham was in the world class. It confused the coach's judgment, it seems, although many judges would back the Real Madrid player as the best passer in the team. There are a couple of additional factors here. The absence of a veteran of ratonal and independant opinion (Alan Shearer or Gareth Southgate spring to mind) to help counterbalance the Beckham factor must have been sorely felt. More than that, the job of wise old heads should have been Beckham's along with his pal Gary Neville. But just as Gazza was disqualified from leadership because he was the very creature of the booze culture, so Beckham is the soul of the WAGs and Bling generation. Now i have no problem liking Beckham. He's handsome, endearing and, essentially, a team man. The trouble is he's also a tool rather than an operator. That makes him subject to manipulation. Zahavi hints that Eriksson knows he became starry eyed and picked Beckham when he shouldn't have. This might have had explosive repercussions and, weather it hurt team spirit or not, it certainly did not help an already malfunctioning side. Only Beckham himself could have done much about this but objective thinking is not one of his natural characteristics. And then there were the WAGs. I like the idea of them and i like some of them personally. I can't see anythign wrong with wives and girlfriends quietly spending a few days at long running tournements. It is possible that i am wrong about this, i admit, judging from the cricket team in Australia as well as from Germany. The fact that the WAGs became a media circus was inevitable and possibly distracting to the players. There were also claims that Posh and family were given extra privileges which in this context was an open invitation to feeding frenzy, no doubt passed on with a sulk to players. Too much should not be made of this. There were always going to be recriminations. However, the one truth our players know from the c o c k up in Germany is that they were not good enough. The rest is just gossip. PS: Now i know why Mike Newell was the toughest negotiator i have encountered. And at a 10% take on each transfer no wonder the sacked Luton Manager wanted all the cash. Thats all of it |
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| bornblues64 | Mar 26 2007, 10:37 AM Post #21 |
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My comments were firmly tongue in cheek, as for your original post, i assume as a fan Mrs.Brady has every right to criticise the England players god knows they need critiscising absolute garbage that they are. |
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| leechy | Mar 26 2007, 10:39 AM Post #22 |
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Intelligent appraisal from Mrs Brady, Mclaren is a stop gap that never should have been. |
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| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Mar 26 2007, 10:40 AM Post #23 |
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Alex Govan
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390...7140019,00.html |
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| Sam Tyler | Mar 26 2007, 10:46 AM Post #24 |
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Pot. Kettle. Black. How st karren (gawd blimey ain't she marvellous) can criticise the FA for sticking by a cr@p manager when her determination to do the same got us relegated last year is beyond belief. As usual with kb nothing ever is her fault. |
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| B25 YEWTREE LOYAL | Mar 26 2007, 10:51 AM Post #25 |
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Alex Govan
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it just makes me wonder what she really thinks of the way we play.As our MD she couldnt write this even if she thought it.It covers players attitudes,bad management,bad appointment by the FA and the Long Ball to a small striker......... wtf** |
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